Brooke Siler talks about Pilates precision, permission, and an elegant sufficiency.

Brooke, author of The Pilates Body, shares her memories of working alongside students of Joe Pilates before joining the Pilates teacher training program of Romana Kryzanowska.

She reflects on the differences between the classical Pilates she learned from Romana Kryzanowska and Joe Pilates' Contrology system.

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John Howard Steel shares his memories of working with Joe Pilates in the original Pilates studio.

Steel is the author of "Caged Lion," a memoir that untangles Joe Pilates’ opaque life story and the perilous journey of his exercise program known the world over as Pilates.

In this conversation with Tracy Belcher, John shares what it was like to work with Joe Pilates and reflects on the studio's transition after Joe's death.

He also recalls working with Romana Kryzanowska, a student of Pilates who eventually took over the program.